Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Will Be McCain Running Mate

[blacknoi]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/29/mccain-to-name-running-mate-on-friday/


http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/sarapalin4.jpg

URGENT: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is surprise choice to be McCain's running mate; mother of 5 is considered rising star in GOP, known for pro-life stand and being a fiscal conservative

Definitely a good idea. She's young (44 years old, which is young for a VP), and a female. That helps the critics who say McCain is too old. Her being a woman will help bring Hillary voters over who DONT want Obama.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

From CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.republican.vp.candidate/index.html)

(CNN) -- Sen. John McCain has picked Alaska Gov. Sarah as his running mate, a senior McCain campaign official told CNN on Friday.
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, seen in a February photo, will be John McCain's running mate, sources say.

Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, seen in a February photo, will be John McCain's running mate, sources say.

Palin, 44, who's in her first term as governor, is a pioneering figure in Alaska, the first woman and the youngest person to hold the state's top political job.

She catapulted to the post with a strong reputation as a political outsider, forged during her stint in local politics. She was mayor and a council member of the small town of Wasila and was chairman of the state Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska's oil and gas resources, in 2003 and 2004.

The conservative Palin defeated two so-called political insiders to win the governor's job -- incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski in the GOP primary and former two-term Democratic Gov. Tony Knowles in the 2006 general election.

Palin made her name in part by backing tough ethical standards for politicians. During the first legislative session after her election, her administration passed a state ethics law overhaul.

Palin's term has not been without controversy. A legislative investigation is looking into allegations that Palin fired Alaska's public safety commissioner because he refused to fire the governor's former brother-in-law, a state trooper.

Palin acknowledged that a call was made by a member of her staff to a trooper in which the staffer suggested he was speaking for the governor.
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Palin has acknowledged that the call could be interpreted as pressure to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, who was locked in a child-custody battle with Palin's sister.

"I am truly disappointed and disturbed to learn that a member of this administration contacted the Department of Public Safety regarding Trooper Wooten," Governor Palin said. "At no time did I authorize any member of my staff to do so."

Palin suspended the staffer who made the call and the investigation is continuing.

Palin has been focused on energy and natural resource policy during her short stint in office, and is known for her support of drilling in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge, a position opposed by McCain but supported by many grass-roots Republicans.

Her biography on the state governor's Web site says one of the two major pieces of legislation passed during her first legislative session was a competitive process to construct a gas pipeline.

Palin started Alaska's Petroleum Systems Integrity Office -- an oversight and maintenance agency for the state's oil and gas equipment, facilities and infrastructure. She created the Climate Change Subcabinet that would forge a climate change strategy, according to the biography.

At present, Palin chairs the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, a multistate panel "that promotes the conservation and efficient recovery of domestic oil and natural gas resources while protecting health, safety and the environment," the biography says.

She has been named chair of the National Governors Association's Natural Resources Committee. That panel is focused on legislation to make sure that federal policies take state priorities into account in agriculture, energy, environmental protection and natural resource management.

She is a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association and takes part in two of Alaska's popular pastimes -- fishing and hunting.

The governor's biography says Palin's other priorities have been "education and workforce development, public health and safety, and transportation and infrastructure development."

The biography touts other achievements during her time as governor -- the investment of $5 billion in state savings, overhauling educational funding, and implementing a program to help low-income elderly Alaskans.

Born in Idaho, she is a longtime Alaskan and a Protestant. Her biography says she arrived in Alaska in 1964, "when her parents came to teach school in Skagway."

She graduated from Wasila High School in 1982 and received a bachelor of science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho in 1987.

Her husband is Todd Palin, who is a lifelong resident of the state and an oil production operator on Alaska's North Slope. They have five children, including a son who enlisted in the Army last year.

Congressional Quarterly notes Palin's other past occupations, including commercial fishing company owner; outdoor recreational equipment company owner; and sports reporter.

Palin also made an unsuccessful run for lieutenant governor in 2002, Congressional Quarterly said.

[blacknoi]

This means I won right? Cause my thread showed up in iSpy first?

http://i38.tinypic.com/2efrfy1.jpg

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

we both posted it at 10:56, so i call a tie. probably should be merged though

[blacknoi]

we both posted it at 10:56, so i call a tie. probably should be merged though

Agreed. Mods o Mods, please merge (but put mine first ;) )

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

if i had powers in the new forum it would be done.... hint hint

[MattyIceGfunk]

Well I'm sold. Shes fucking hot.

[blacknoi]

Well I'm sold. Shes fucking hot.

And she's a mother of 5.....

For the lazy, here's a pic:

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/sarapalin4.jpg

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

she looks like tina fey

[blacknoi]

she looks like tina fey

I agree
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/video/070730/tina_fey2.jpg

[MattyIceGfunk]

Heres my favorite picture. Christ shes hot.

http://askpang.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/sabine5.jpg

[blacknoi]

Heres my favorite picture. Christ shes hot.

<picture snipped out>

HOLY HELL. Milf = YES

[Flea_Man]

Holy shit I want to bang her.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

that doesnt say much

[Ziph]

So, to go against the negro, get a female VP to try to win some votes. Not bad I suppose.

[blacknoi]

that doesnt say much

Tried to rep for this comment, must spread around more first. ..Cant say I didn't try.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

Tried to rep for this comment, must spread around more first. ..Cant say I didn't try.

at least you tried :)

[Sharks!]

5 kids?

that pant suit is covering up a world of hurt. imagine taking the lining off of a link of kielbasa...

[Mick32]

This seems a pretty genius choice by McCain.
-pissed off Hillary people? check
-pro life? check
-answer to the "[angry liberal typing guy] well, if you're such a big supporter of the war, why isn't your kid over there? [/angry liberal typing guy]" question? check
She appeals to the Republican base that is uneasy about McCain. She has executive experience, which none of the other three have. She's attractive. I think this choice is bullet-proof for the McCain campaign.
The Obama campaign has already sent out a statement making fun of her being a former mayor of a city with less than 9000 people. Do they really want to go down the inexperience route?

[VaMessenger]

This seems a pretty genius choice by McCain.
-pissed off Hillary people? check
-pro life? check
-answer to the "[angry liberal typing guy] well, if you're such a big supporter of the war, why isn't your kid over there? [/angry liberal typing guy]" question? check
She appeals to the Republican base that is uneasy about McCain. She has executive experience, which none of the other three have. She's attractive. I think this choice is bullet-proof for the McCain campaign.
The Obama campaign has already sent out a statement making fun of her being a former mayor of a city with less than 9000 people. Do they really want to go down the inexperience route?

OMG...Kinda show reference +0.5

Hai Tim :wave:

[Brandon]

This means I won right? Cause my thread showed up in iSpy first?

http://i38.tinypic.com/2efrfy1.jpg

Yes, but you used a source that isn't news, so you suck.

[blacknoi]

Yes, but you used a source that isn't news, so you suck.

Fox News might be more conservative leaning, but its no DOUBT that CNN is liberal leaning. So we are even. MMM Kay?

[Brandon]

Fox News might be more conservative leaning, but its no DOUBT that CNN is liberal leaning. So we are even. MMM Kay?

I disagree, fox is a joke, cnn isn't as much of a joke.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

Fox News might be more conservative leaning, but its no DOUBT that CNN is liberal leaning. So we are even. MMM Kay?

i'm with brandon, i think CNN is closer to the middle then fox or msn. msn is def left toppling and far as fox is to the right. at least CNN brings in credible people from the republican party

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

This seems a pretty genius choice by McCain.
-pissed off Hillary people? check
-pro life? check
-answer to the "[angry liberal typing guy] well, if you're such a big supporter of the war, why isn't your kid over there? [/angry liberal typing guy]" question? check
She appeals to the Republican base that is uneasy about McCain. She has executive experience, which none of the other three have. She's attractive. I think this choice is bullet-proof for the McCain campaign.
The Obama campaign has already sent out a statement making fun of her being a former mayor of a city with less than 9000 people. Do they really want to go down the inexperience route?

but honestly no how can the Republican party go down the lack national security experience road now? as of next week they will officially nominate the oldest presidential candidate with health issues and now the next person in line has zero national security experience and has been the Governor for little less then two years. even my hardcore Republican girlfriend finds this nothing more then a gimmick that probably wont work

[VaMessenger]

I think it is going to work fine.

[YourAmishDaddy]

This seems a pretty genius choice by McCain.
-pissed off Hillary people? check
-pro life? check
-answer to the "[angry liberal typing guy] well, if you're such a big supporter of the war, why isn't your kid over there? [/angry liberal typing guy]" question? check
She appeals to the Republican base that is uneasy about McCain. She has executive experience, which none of the other three have. She's attractive. I think this choice is bullet-proof for the McCain campaign.
The Obama campaign has already sent out a statement making fun of her being a former mayor of a city with less than 9000 people. Do they really want to go down the inexperience route?

She has 547 days of state experience. And no federal experience. Obama has a few years in the US Senate, and 8 years in the State Senate.
Joe Biden has more foreign policy experience than Obama, Palin and McCain combined. And his son is being deployed soon, putting aside a state Attorney General job to go.

And to be honest, seriously I see this as John McCain giving the middle finger to the GOP. His way of saying "fuck you" as the ship sinks.
No way in the hell, with the alternative being Obama will anyone in the south whose middle name is either Lou or Joe is happy about this pick.
See they have very strong ideas about women being in "their places"

Does anyone believe those 18 million or so Hillary supporters are going to flock over to support Palin? Cmon, be serious. A staunch religionist who despises homosexuals, and is fervorously anti abortion.

Yes I can see the floodgates being run over now. Not happening. McCain has thrown this election. Kay Hutchinson, M. Jodi Rell, Carly Fiorina.. If you just want a woman on the ticket.

It's a throwaway.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

if a black man doesn't play well in the midwest, i wonder how a woman will play? it worked wonderfully for Mondale in 84. watching foxnews now and the guest they had on said that McCain wanted to select Lieberman, but was talked out of it and he has only met Palin 2 times before today.

[TNABuffalo2]

Heres my favorite picture. Christ shes hot.

http://askpang.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/sabine5.jpg

Who doesn't want to pepper that face

[YourAmishDaddy]

if a black man doesn't play well in the midwest, i wonder how a woman will play? it worked wonderfully for Mondale in 84. watching foxnews now and the guest they had on said that McCain wanted to select Lieberman, but was talked out of it and he has only met Palin 2 times before today.

Well yeah but Obama actually won some midwest states. After all, his area is Springfield/Chicago. As far as Palin goes I believe the first time he's even heard her speak was today. At first it seemed like a great choice. But after looking at it I really believe Romney and several of his short list refused to be on the ticket.

I think as a person Palin is great. She's fresh and driven and all. But McCain is 70 plus years old, with a birthday today. And he's placed Palin is a spot where she could just more than likely have to finish this thing.

I don't believe this was a good judgement call.

[gamcinnis]

At the risk of being a kill joy, is she qualified? Don't really know much about her other than what others have posted above and what has been on the news today.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Who doesn't want to pepper that face

Where does Sabine Ehrenfeld come into this?

As for Palin. Of course she's qualified. She's a natural born citizen and over the age of 35. Is she "experienced?"

No.

And it makes all the more difference because it was the McCain camp bringing up experience first.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

At the risk of being a kill joy, is she qualified? Don't really know much about her other than what others have posted above and what has been on the news today.
she has a retard baby, if that helps

[Ziph]

she has a retard baby, if that helps

Helps bring the humor level up if anything.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Quick way to get the waterhead vote.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

Quick way to get the waterhead vote.

it's still a very untapped cross section

[YourAmishDaddy]

it's still a very untapped cross section

Now that, was good.

[Ziph]

it's still a very untapped cross section

I hope it drools on her during an interview.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofnx82gIqlU

go to the 4 minute mark for funs

[YourAmishDaddy]

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT07/refresh/AL0708W5_sm2+gif/205016W_sm.gif

http://www.gulfcoasthurricanecenter.com/katrina82605_5pm.gif

I seriously believe God has either the most wicked sense of humor or he really hates republicans.

[Fred from Brooklyn]

This seems a pretty genius choice by McCain.
-pissed off Hillary people? check
-pro life? check
-answer to the "[angry liberal typing guy] well, if you're such a big supporter of the war, why isn't your kid over there? [/angry liberal typing guy]" question? check
She appeals to the Republican base that is uneasy about McCain. She has executive experience, which none of the other three have. She's attractive. I think this choice is bullet-proof for the McCain campaign.
The Obama campaign has already sent out a statement making fun of her being a former mayor of a city with less than 9000 people. Do they really want to go down the inexperience route?


Every reason I have ever disliked you just vanished...:winner:

[Brandon]

she has a retard baby, if that helps

and McCain is a POW.

[Brandon]

I seriously believe God has either the most wicked sense of humor or he really hates republicans.

The latter would really be better to live with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofnx82gIqlU

go to the 4 minute mark for funs


FLIP FLOPPING!!!!

:)

[cousindave]

Quick way to get the waterhead vote.


Na, the waterheads are still going to vote for Baracko.

[Brandon]

Na, the waterheads are still going to vote for Baracko.

No, because then the Bible belt would be making a good decision.

[Mick32]

Honestly, if people are buying the Obama "Change" message, what's more of a change than a woman who is the governor of a state that is as far from the Washington "inside" as you can get? I really do think this is an inspired pick.

[Brandon]

Palin/Pelosi '08

[YourAmishDaddy]

Palin-McCain

Desperation And A Douche.

ANd this is the piece of shit everyone thought was so much better than Ron Paul. The fucking Clarice and Jame Gumb of presidential elections.

[teeheejimmy]

This won't work.

She wants to teach creationism in schools.

There's this however:

www.vpilf.com (www.vpilf.com)

[Brandon]

Honestly, if people are buying the Obama "Change" message, what's more of a change than a woman who is the governor of a state that is as far from the Washington "inside" as you can get? I really do think this is an inspired pick.
Tim, the problem is, she has two clips that could kill her, the one Tony posted earlier, and the one where she asks what a VP does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oro2Yh9HoEM
2:45

This won't work.

She wants to teach creationism in schools.

There's this however:

www.vpilf.com (www.vpilf.com)

Holy shit.

[FalconsGuy]

Tim, the problem is, she has two clips that could kill her, the one Tony posted earlier, and the one where she asks what a VP does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oro2Yh9HoEM
2:45



Holy shit.

How does this kill her? I think she had valid questions. Her point is, she wanted to make sure she would actually have an impact in role of VP under McCain. It was simply a rhetorical question. If you truly believe she does not understand the role of the VP, that is just asinine.

As far as being experienced, she had more responsibility, power, and critical decision making power in 1 day as a governor than Obama has ever had as the junior senator from Illinois.

Also, whoever said they believe this pick by McCain was just a big "fuck you" to the republican establishment. I could not agree more and I love it. As much as the Messiah and his followers want to tie McCain to Bush, he has a long history of going against him and that side of the republican party.

[Davefromphilly]

i think this was smart as shit. and i also wouldnt mind throwin her one. Shes fuckin hot for an old head

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

As far as being experienced, she had more responsibility, power, and critical decision making power in 1 day as a governor than Obama has ever had as the junior senator from Illinois.
she also has more executive experiences then Johnny MC and Crazy Joe, but the McCain camp has been railing on national security & foreign relations experience of Obama. by selecting Palin they take the issue of experience off the table

Also, whoever said they believe this pick by McCain was just a big "fuck you" to the republican establishment. I could not agree more and I love it. As much as the Messiah and his followers want to tie McCain to Bush, he has a long history of going against him and that side of the republican party.
how is this a fuck you to the Republicans? cause she is a woman?
lets see....
pro life - check
pro 2nd amendment - check
less government - check
less govenrment spending - check
nuclear family - check
wants to teach creationism in schools - check

she is the perfect republican... if she was a man. tim has said this before, will the midwest vote for a black man? well will the vote for a woman instead?

if he really want to say fuck the Republicans he would of taken Lieberman with him

[YourAmishDaddy]

"Oh this is a great pick"

They said the same thing about Harriet Miers. Day one she's on there with Joe Biden it will be obvious. Biden would never attack her, he'd just baby her and treat her like a puppy. She's severely outmatched.

And seriously. I love the fact that today there's such a weak pathetic standard to be "republican"

Oh, well they must be against abortion. When this administration has publically funded more chemical abortions under Title X funding than any other administration.

Oh they must be "pro gun" Which is neat because not only is it the three year anniversary of Katrina, it's the three year aftermath anniversary of it as well. When the ONLY case of sanctioned gun confiscation in 232 years of this republic happened to the citizens of Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines Parishes. Sanctioned under this administration, enforced by Blackwater, and carried out under the Patriot Act.

If a "terrorist" event or natural disaster, or hell, anything at a whim under the "Patriot Act" happens the Bill of Rights is done. Including, but not limited to the second amendment.

Less government.. Cmon, do we need to look at the size of government now?

Family.. If you really want to delve into the deviant lifestyles of government Republicans. From Foley, or Larry Craig to Don Sherwood strangling his mistress, or Missouri state Rep. Scott Muschany charged with raping the 14 year old daughter of his mistress.

Creationism? Teach fucking math and English and be done with it.

Seriouusly. I left the GOP years ago, and I have never regretted it. I have never seen a bigger group of hypocritical frauds since, well I left the Democratic party years before. If you cling to these politicians and think they will do anything other than the fraud and theft they're all good at you need to get psychological help

[Mick32]

she also has more executive experiences then Johnny MC and Crazy Joe, but the McCain camp has been railing on national security & foreign relations experience of Obama. by selecting Palin they take the issue of experience off the table


how is this a fuck you to the Republicans? cause she is a woman?
lets see....
pro life - check
pro 2nd amendment - check
less government - check
less govenrment spending - check
nuclear family - check
wants to teach creationism in schools - check

she is the perfect republican... if she was a man. tim has said this before, will the midwest vote for a black man? well will the vote for a woman instead?

if he really want to say fuck the Republicans he would of taken Lieberman with him

The Midwest will vote for a woman VP before a black president, Tony.
If the "Change" thing really takes hold, I think it's clear that McCain is the candidate of "Change", especially after this choice. Obama, a Washington insider and partisan Democrat, chose Biden, even more of a Washington insider and partisan Democrat. McCain is known for pissing off the Republicans by going his own way, most notably with the campaign finance reform issue, to the point where many Republicans thought he couldn't win a primary. He chooses a Conservative woman with no Washington ties as a running mate who seems to be known for bucking the traditional Republican power base in her state. That is "Change", not what Obama is selling you nitwits.
She is a woman, which appeals to stupid Hillary supporters who will NOT vote for Obama. She is Conservative, which appeals to the Republicans who have reservations about McCain. Like I said, it's a fucking brilliant choice. You know that even more with all of the attacks on her you've read from the lefties in the last 24 hours.

[dylan874]

Honestly, if people are buying the Obama "Change" message, what's more of a change than a woman who is the governor of a state that is as far from the Washington "inside" as you can get? I really do think this is an inspired pick.
:qft:

[dylan874]

How does this kill her? I think she had valid questions. Her point is, she wanted to make sure she would actually have an impact in role of VP under McCain. It was simply a rhetorical question. If you truly believe she does not understand the role of the VP, that is just asinine.

As far as being experienced, she had more responsibility, power, and critical decision making power in 1 day as a governor than Obama has ever had as the junior senator from Illinois.

Also, whoever said they believe this pick by McCain was just a big "fuck you" to the republican establishment. I could not agree more and I love it. As much as the Messiah and his followers want to tie McCain to Bush, he has a long history of going against him and that side of the republican party.

I couldn't agree more. Didn't Obama vote "Present" as opposed to "Yes" on alot of bills?

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

I couldn't agree more. Didn't Obama vote "Present" as opposed to "Yes" on alot of bills?

here you can check both canidates and one VP's voting records here
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/states/

John McCain
Missed Votes
John McCain has missed 407 votes (63.8%) during the current Congress. See a list of his missed votes since 1991 or see a full list of vote missers.
Voting with Party

John McCain has voted with a majority of his Republican colleagues 88.3% of the time during the current Congress. This percentage does not include votes in which McCain did not vote. See a list of his votes against his party since 1991, a list of all Senators in the 110th Congress with a similar score, or a full list of party voters.

Barack Obama
Missed Votes

Barack Obama has missed 290 votes (45.5%) during the current Congress. See a list of his missed votes since 1991 or see a full list of vote missers.
Voting with Party

Barack Obama has voted with a majority of his Democratic colleagues 96.0% of the time during the current Congress. This percentage does not include votes in which Obama did not vote. See a list of his votes against his party since 1991, a list of all Senators in the 110th Congress with a similar score, or a full list of party voters.

Joe Biden
Missed Votes

Joseph Biden has missed 193 votes (30.3%) during the current Congress. See a list of his missed votes since 1991 or see a full list of vote missers.
Voting with Party

Joseph Biden has voted with a majority of his Democratic colleagues 96.6% of the time during the current Congress. This percentage does not include votes in which Biden did not vote. See a list of his votes against his party since 1991, a list of all Senators in the 110th Congress with a similar score, or a full list of party voters.

[Homowner]

Allegedly her mongoloid son is really her sixteen year old daughter's son. True story. I heard it on The Hideout so it must be true.

[mongothetrucker]

I seriously believe God has either the most wicked sense of humor or he really hates republicans.

If you can prove to me that there is a God, we can discuss the latter part of that statement.

[YourAmishDaddy]

If you can prove to me that there is a God, we can discuss the latter part of that statement.

You know. I'd have a hard time proving that.

[cousindave]

... Don Sherwood strangling his mistress...



That bitch had it coming!

I listened to her on the radio one time, and I wanted to strangle her, the people at the radio station wanted to strangle her, and I'm sure the advertisers of the radio station wanted to strangle her, hell I'll bet the FCC wanted to strangle her.

But even so, Sherwood should have done to honorable thing and killed himself for getting involved with that thing in the first place. Then again at least she wasn't a pig like Monica.

How that guy figured he could win reelection is beyond me.

The catholics of NEPA will let their elected officials steal from them all day (Paul Kanjorski, etc...) but the one thing they will not tolerate is strangling a foreign whore, oh that and a darkie running for President!

By the way, this is also where the girl who Ted Kennedy killed was from, her parents made out on that deal.

[cousindave]

If you can prove to me that there is a God, we can discuss the latter part of that statement.

FSM - all the proof you need!

[YourAmishDaddy]

Palin booed for mentioning Hillary Clinton

In just her second appearance on the campaign trail with John McCain, newly-minted GOP running mate Sarah Palin was showered with boos on Saturday for attempting to praise Clinton’s trail-blazing bid to become the first female president.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/30/palin-booed-for-mentioning-hillary-clinton/

I mean that's really going to work. Going around to Republican crowds praising Hillary.

McCain is a moron.

[billburrsucs]

At the risk of being a kill joy, is she qualified? Don't really know much about her other than what others have posted above and what has been on the news today.

Is she???, I'm fucking qualified. I'm sure someone will do the research, but all I remeber from middle school was you have to be a US citizen and 25 years old. I"m 28, never even been off Norht America. VOTE for me in 08.

Palin will bring in alot more votes the Joe BIden. Obama has been preaching change and picks one of the same old he is attacking McCain about. I think thsi was a great pick. and someone mentioned Bidens son heading to Iraq, Palins oldest, 18 yr old son, I think, is headed to Iraq thsi fall. Shes run a government, she doens't have world experiance, but not many do.
Plus shes a looker

[billburrsucs]

Honestly, if people are buying the Obama "Change" message, what's more of a change than a woman who is the governor of a state that is as far from the Washington "inside" as you can get? I really do think this is an inspired pick.

Wow, I agree with :h8r:

[Ziph]

If you can prove to me that there is a God, we can discuss the latter part of that statement.

If we're discussing a president possibly actually changing something in America, then I don't see how discussing other fictitious and outrageous concepts is out of the question.

[cousindave]

Is she???, I'm fucking qualified. I'm sure someone will do the research, but all I remeber from middle school was you have to be a US citizen and 25 years old. I"m 28, never even been off Norht America. VOTE for me in 08.

Palin will bring in alot more votes the Joe BIden. Obama has been preaching change and picks one of the same old he is attacking McCain about. I think thsi was a great pick. and someone mentioned Bidens son heading to Iraq, Palins oldest, 18 yr old son, I think, is headed to Iraq thsi fall. Shes run a government, she doens't have world experiance, but not many do.
Plus shes a looker


25 for the House

30 for the Senate

35 for the President

[YourAmishDaddy]

Whew. Sarah Palin. "Free Speech Advocate"

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html

I predict it won't be long. Before she either bows out "gracefully" Or common sense kicks in and they put a real VP nominee in her place.

This fucking woman is nuts.

[Brandon]

25 for the House

30 for the Senate

35 for the President


35 - House

40 - Senate (I think)

35 - President.

Those (The ones you posted) don't make sense, the Speaker of the House can and has became President, and if the President had to be older than a member of the House, that system(Presidential Succession Act) wouldn't work.



Palin/Pelosi '09

[cousindave]

35 - House

40 - Senate (I think)

35 - President.

Those (The ones you posted) don't make sense, the Speaker of the House can and has became President, and if the President had to be older than a member of the House, that system(Presidential Succession Act) wouldn't work.



Palin/Pelosi '09


Well I suggest you read the US Constitution again, because these are the age requirements to assume office

25 - House
30 - Senate
35 - President

You do raise a good point though in the event the Speaker needs to assume the office of President, yet is ineligible because of age, I would guess it would just pass on the the President Pro Tempore of the Senate and if that office holder was not able to assume office it would then pass to the cabinet in the order the dept was created.

Similar to if those in line of succession were not a natural born US citizen. Say Arnold became Secretary of ____________ and muslim terrorists killed most of the govt, Arnold could not assume the office of President, even if he was next in line because he was not a natural born US citizen, it would just pass to the next cabinet dept head.

[FalconsGuy]

If you want to see something really funny and cringe worthy, watch the RNC between speakers. Stiff white people dancing holding stupid signs.

[Wickedballs]

11 minutes to Palins speech.

[heymotherkisser]

omg it's on

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

perfect baby boy... lulz. not even close

[Davefromphilly]

i really wanna fuck her. she's not even that hot now that i see her on TV, but i wanna fuck her just cuz

[Davefromphilly]

todd's a handsome fella

i could so fuck her

[Wickedballs]

RNC > DNC

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

RNC ages> DNC ages

***fixed***

[Jimbo_NY75]

why do we care who her family is ..... just get to your bullshit promises

[FalconsGuy]

***fixed***

That does not even make sense.

[Davefromphilly]

small town, small town, shut the fuck up


i dont like her anymore

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

i wonder if she i gonna mention her hubby was part of the Alaska Independence movement

[Davefromphilly]

That does not even make sense.

:qft:

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

That does not even make sense.

i'm calling them old, stay with me hayseed

[Wickedballs]

Lol @ the daughter licking her hand and wiping the future window licker himself.

[Davefromphilly]

i wonder if she i gonna mention her hubby was part of the Alaska Independence movement

whats that? don't tell me they tried to be a country?

[FalconsGuy]

i wonder if she i gonna mention her hubby was part of the Alaska Independence movement

I did not know that, I like him even more now.

I cannot blame anyone for wanting sovereignty from this bloated federal govt.

[Wickedballs]

i wonder if she i gonna mention her hubby was part of the Alaska Independence movement

I wouldn't if I were her. That'd be a bad move.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

whats that? don't tell me they tried to be a country?
yes, there is a organization that has been pushing for Alaskan secession from the USA. and he was a member while they were date. i dont think they were married though

[FalconsGuy]

i'm calling them old, stay with me hayseed

Yeah I get that, but it is stupid and not relevant. You stupid liberal tax loving yankee.

[FalconsGuy]

yes, there is a organization that has been pushing for Alaskan secession from the USA. and he was a member while they were date. i dont think they were married though

You really are grasping here.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

Yeah I get that, but is stupid and not relevant. You stupid liberal tax loving yankee.

just observation that our ronnie b was making today... or did you quit that community too?

[Davefromphilly]

yes, there is a organization that has been pushing for Alaskan secession from the USA. and he was a member while they were date. i dont think they were married though

oh, that's not bad, i doubt anyone takes them seriously anyway. it sounds laughable, i like him cuz he's a union guy, and all my family and friends are union guys. that probly makes me stupid

[heymotherkisser]

just observation that our ronnie b was making today... or did you quit that community too?

ok htg.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

You really are grasping here.

how is grasping when he has talked about it the past?

[Wickedballs]

yes, there is a organization that has been pushing for Alaskan secession from the USA. and he was a member while they were date. i dont think they were married though

If they bring that up, then it should be ok to bring up Obamas past drug habits. Since they probably happened around the same time.

[FalconsGuy]

just observation that our ronnie b was making today... or did you quit that community too?

I only agree with Ronnie B about 90% of the time.

[Davefromphilly]

just observation that our ronnie b was making today... or did you quit that community too?

awwww shit

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

If they bring that up, then it should be ok to bring up Obamas past drug habits. Since they probably happened around the same time.

and hers too

[Wickedballs]

and hers too

I don't know anything of her drug habits. Maybe McCains while he was a POW taking morphine to ease the pain.

[FalconsGuy]

how is grasping when he has talked about it the past?

Point being, you are trying to make snarky comments about her. I think you can do better than something a guy she dated did 20 years ago.

Attack her views of Gay marriage and abortion. That is something worthy of attacking.

[Davefromphilly]

and hers too

aw, how hot is that! we can only hope

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

I don't know anything of her drug habits. Maybe McCains while he was a POW taking morphine to ease the pain.

she is the prefect fit for you, she is an admitted former pot head

[Wickedballs]

Point being, you are trying to make snarky comments about her. I think you can do better than something a guy she dated did 20 years ago.

Attack her views of Gay marriage and abortion. That is something worthy of attacking.

Tony can't argue opinions, so he attacks stupid little nit-picky things that happened in excess of 20 years ago.

[Davefromphilly]

she is the prefect fit for you, she is an admitted former pot head

oh, thats gay

[Wickedballs]

she is the prefect fit for you, she is an admitted former pot head

sold.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

Point being, you are trying to make snarky comments about her. I think you can do better than something a guy she dated did 20 years ago.

Attack her views of Gay marriage and abortion. That is something worthy of attacking.

not some guy, it he husband now. it was while they date. i wasnt sure if they were married yet

[heymotherkisser]

she is the prefect fit for you, she is an admitted former pot head

now you've got MLM against you.

[Wickedballs]

not some guy, it he husband now. it was while they date. i wasnt sure if they were married yet

So that's 20 years ago. At that time Obama was ripping lines of coke off a dudes back while living in Hawaii.

[Davefromphilly]

i dont like this "gal" and "small town" shit. she probly is a pot smokin hippy.

do some fuckin real drugs, move to a city, and party bitch

i do like the drill alaska thing though, that makes up for it

[Wickedballs]

The McCain/Palin ticket is going to win and it is thanks to this hockey mom from Alaska. I think it is awesome.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

Tony can't argue opinions, so he attacks stupid little nit-picky things that happened in excess of 20 years ago.

how about she is railing against the bridge to no where, but was for it before she was against it. then she is so against pork barrel spending that she hired a lobbiest while she was the mayor to get 27 million in funding for pet projects in a town of 9,000.

then there is her stance on teach creationism in school
wanting to ban books and do forget abstinence first

[FalconsGuy]

not some guy, it he husband now. it was while they date. i wasnt sure if they were married yet

You got the jist of my point.

Hillary was involved in socialist organizations and wrote her thesis on socialism, while in college, but you still supported her husband for president.

Wait never mind, you probably looked at that as a positive thing.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

You got the jist of my point.

Hillary was involved in socialist organizations and wrote her thesis on socialism, while in college, but you still supported her husband for president.

Wait never mind, you probably looked at that as a positive thing.

you mean Bill Clinton that is more fiscally conservative then GW bush. yeah i supported that guy

[FalconsGuy]

how about she is railing against the bridge to no where, but was for it before she was against it. then she is so against pork barrel spending that she hired a lobbiest while she was the mayor to get 27 million in funding for pet projects in a town of 9,000.

then there is her stance on teach creationism in school
wanting to ban books and do forget abstinence first

She was playing game to get the best for town. She is playing within the current rules of the system. Does not mean she likes those rules.

I do not know about the bridge thing, I will take your word on it.

Her stance on creationism in schools, there is about has much scientific proof for the black hole theory as there is for creationism, they are both theories, why should they not be taught? By the way, I am agnostic, so do not think this is some bible dude talking.

I do not know what books she wants to ban.

What the hell is wrong with supporting abstinence first? How could that ever be bad?

[Davefromphilly]

She was playing game to get the best for town. She is playing within the current rules of the system. Does not mean she likes those rules.

I do not know about the bridge thing, I will take your word on it.

Her stance on creationism in schools, there is about has much scientific proof for the black hole theory as there is for creationism, they are both theories, why should they not be taught? By the way, I am agnostic, so do not think this is some bible dude talking.

I do not know what books she wants to ban.

What the hell is wrong with supporting abstinence first? How could that ever be bad?

dude, you fuckin had me, then you fucked it all up

[heymotherkisser]

She was playing game to get the best for town. She is playing within the current rules of the system. Does not mean she likes those rules.

I do not know about the bridge thing, I will take your word on it.

Her stance on creationism in schools, there is about has much scientific proof for the black hole theory as there is for creationism, they are both theories, why should they not be taught? By the way, I am agnostic, so do not think this is some bible dude talking.

I do not know what books she wants to ban.

What the hell is wrong with supporting abstinence first? How could that ever be bad?

YOURE GONNA GET FIRED.

[FalconsGuy]

you mean Bill Clinton that is more fiscally conservative then GW bush. yeah i supported that guy

Good thing GWB is not running for president huh? He is awful from a fiscal perspective. No arguments here.


Clinton had a very fiscally conservative Republican congress to keep him in control and curb social spending.

[Wickedballs]

how about she is railing against the bridge to no where, but was for it before she was against it. then she is so against pork barrel spending that she hired a lobbiest while she was the mayor to get 27 million in funding for pet projects in a town of 9,000.

then there is her stance on teach creationism in school
wanting to ban books and do forget abstinence first

The bridge: So, she changed her mind. It was a state issue and she probably got more facts and thought better of it. If she has an 80% approval rating it couldn't have pissed off too many people.

The lobbyist for 27 million for pet projects: They live in Alaska. Pets for them are a little more diverse than just cats and dogs. If she thought it was a good idea, it didn't affect me.

Creationism: I don't mind it being taught in schools. It is non-denominational. Just the fact that something did create the earth. If Darwin and the big bang theory can be taught, why not be able to teach the other views.

I don't understand what you wrote in your last line.

[FalconsGuy]

YOURE GONNA GET FIRED.

Shut it.

[FalconsGuy]

dude, you fuckin had me, then you fucked it all up

Think about your future daughter, not your future conquest.

[Davefromphilly]

you got me again

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

She was playing game to get the best for town. She is playing within the current rules of the system. Does not mean she likes those rules.
that is fine, but don't come off as this maverick that is a reformist and cant be budged

I do not know about the bridge thing, I will take your word on it.
see drudge

Her stance on creationism in schools, there is about has much scientific proof for the black hole theory as there is for creationism, they are both theories, why should they not be taught? By the way, I am agnostic, so do not think this is some bible dude talking.

cause not everyone believes in Christianity. if we teach creationism, why not how Scientology thinks life started?
I do not know what books she wants to ban.
see drudge

What the hell is wrong with supporting abstinence first? How could that ever be bad?
worked great for her daughter bristol

[heymotherkisser]

The bridge: So, she changed her mind. It was a state issue and she probably got more facts and thought better of it. If she has an 80% approval rating it couldn't have pissed off too many people.

The lobbyist for 27 million for pet projects: They live in Alaska. Pets for them are a little more diverse than just cats and dogs. If she thought it was a good idea, it didn't affect me.

Creationism: I don't mind it being taught in schools. It is non-denominational. Just the fact that something did create the earth. If Darwin and the big bang theory can be taught, why not be able to teach the other views.

I don't understand what you wrote in your last line.

his last line was about the movie footloose. great 80s soundtrack.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

The lobbyist for 27 million for pet projects: They live in Alaska. Pets for them are a little more diverse than just cats and dogs. If she thought it was a good idea, it didn't affect me.

no it did cause the money came from congress

[Wickedballs]

that is fine, but don't come off as this maverick that is a reformist and cant be budged


see drudge


cause not everyone believes in Christianity. if we teach creationism, why not how Scientology thinks life started?

see drudge


worked great for her daughter bristol

She isn't the maverick, McCain is.

Your argument about Creationism and Scientology is just plain dumb. Creationism is just putting it out there that there may be a higher power. Which there has to be. There is no way all of this came from nothing without something giving it a little push.

You can teach abstinence all you want, but it doesn't mean she wants it to be a law or anything. Just education.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

i just hate this holier than thou attitude she being portrayed with. at least the democrats admit there is hypocrisy in their own group

[Wickedballs]

no it did cause the money came from congress

No, it didn't. If they didn't spend that money there they would have spent it elsewhere and my money still would not have been affected. If you ask me it is Congress who is dumb for giving it to her. Not her for asking for it.

[Davefromphilly]

worked great for her daughter bristol

that aint her fault though, anyones daughter can get knocked up, you can't help it unless you lock your daughter in her room til she's 21

[heymotherkisser]

creationism stems from the old testament. muslims, jews, and christians follow that. it's not just a christian belief though it is most associated with them.

kthx.

[Jimbo_NY75]

She isn't the maverick, McCain is.

Your argument about Creationism and Scientology is just plain dumb. Creationism is just putting it out there that there may be a higher power. Which there has to be. There is no way all of this came from nothing without something giving it a little push.

You can teach abstinence all you want, but it doesn't mean she wants it to be a law or anything. Just education.


actually creationism is used as an alternative theory to how the earth and all life on it got its start.

creationist want it taught as theory in school.

problem is it isnt a theory that can be proven or disproven (yet). it has no bearing or place in an educational system

[heymotherkisser]

i don't think creationism should be any of your big issues as only one of you posting right now has kids.

i think.

[Davefromphilly]

she's got a nice little get up, too, i can't see her shoes though.

her daughter aint too bad either

[FalconsGuy]

OMG, I hope McCain does not fall over dead.

He is old you know?

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

She isn't the maverick, McCain is.
did you not listen to the warm up acts tonight, she is a maverick too. also john McCain is no longer a maverick. i pains me to watch this john mccain out there. i contributed to him in 2000, i though he was the best man then. he is nothing like that man[/QUOTE]

Your argument about Creationism and Scientology is just plain dumb. Creationism is just putting it out there that there may be a higher power. Which there has to be. There is no way all of this came from nothing without something giving it a little push.
no my point being is that not everyone believes in the higher power, leave god to churches and parents [/QUOTE]

You can teach abstinence all you want, but it doesn't mean she wants it to be a law or anything. Just education.
no that is what exactly means. no sex ed, just no sex

[Davefromphilly]

i think there's a creationism or whatever, but i aint sweatin that cuz i'll probly put my kids in catholic school, assuming their mom's not gonna be a bitch about that

[FalconsGuy]

did you not lisent the warm up acts tonight, she is a mavrick too. also john McCain is no longer a mavrick. i pains me to watch this john mccain out there. i contributed to him in 2000, i though he was the best man then. he is nothing like that man


no my point being is that not everyone believes in the higher power, leave god to churches and parents [/QUOTE]


no that is what exactly means. no sex ed, just no sex[/QUOTE]

Leave god and church to the parents, but sex, leave that to the govt!

[Davefromphilly]

no my point being is that not everyone believes in the higher power, leave god to churches and parents

no that is what exactly means. no sex ed, just no sex

i dont' think you can leave the god thing out though, if you're gonna teach all that other crazy shit.

and i dont agree with the no sex ed thing, that has to be accompanied with the no sex thing

[Wickedballs]

did you not lisent the warm up acts tonight, she is a mavrick too. also john McCain is no longer a mavrick. i pains me to watch this john mccain out there. i contributed to him in 2000, i though he was the best man then. he is nothing like that man


no my point being is that not everyone believes in the higher power, leave god to churches and parents


no that is what exactly means. no sex ed, just no sex

and not everyone believes in the big bang or evolution. Just because those people can't afford to send their kids to a private school means their kids have to be subject to that form of education.

I know what teaching abstinence means. They want to teach it, that's all. Sex should be taught from parents at home, not in schools.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

no my point being is that not everyone believes in the higher power, leave god to churches and parents


no that is what exactly means. no sex ed, just no sex[/QUOTE]

Leave god and church to the parents, but sex, leave that to the govt![/QUOTE]
most parents don't know enough about sex. how many parents can explain how STDs are contracted and what are the best and most reliable form of birth control

[Wickedballs]

Creationism isn't even church, it is just the possibility that there is a higher power.

[FalconsGuy]

no that is what exactly means. no sex ed, just no sex

Leave god and church to the parents, but sex, leave that to the govt![/QUOTE]
most parents don't know enough about sex. how many parents can explain how STDs are contracted and what are the best and most reliable form of birth control[/QUOTE]

ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaah

That's right tony, we need suck on that govt teet from birth to grave.

ahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahah

I really hope this was a joke.

[Wickedballs]

no that is what exactly means. no sex ed, just no sex
Leave god and church to the parents, but sex, leave that to the govt!
most parents don't know enough about sex. how many parents can explain how STDs are contracted and what are the best and most reliable form of birth control

STD = Sexually Transmitted Diseases....Done

Condoms/Birth Control.....Done.

If there are more questions contact your primary care physician.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

Leave god and church to the parents, but sex, leave that to the govt!
most parents don't know enough about sex. how many parents can explain how STDs are contracted and what are the best and most reliable form of birth control[/QUOTE]

ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaah

That's right tony, we need suck on that govt teet from birth to grave.

ahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahah

I really hope this was a joke.[/QUOTE]
learn to quote ryan

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

STD = Sexually Transmitted Diseases....Done

Condoms/Birth Control.....Done.

If there are more questions contact your primary care physician.

mike, should you really be one to teach us about BC















































:aaw:

[Davefromphilly]

it's the quote button, it did it to me too

[FalconsGuy]

Sorry, hard to format when I am laughing so hard.

[FalconsGuy]

mike, should you really be one to teach us about BC

:pwned:

[Wickedballs]

mike, should you really be one to teach us about BC









:aaw:

The reason I have those kids is because I am pro-life and I stand by my views and the views of McCain/Palin.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

The reason I have those kids is because I am pro-life and I stand by my views and the views of McCain/Palin.
Just Palin, oh wait McCain flipped on that too. so it's now both

[FalconsGuy]

The reason I have those kids is because I am pro-life and I stand by my views and the views of McCain/Palin.

Too bad your parents were not smarter or you would have known about birth control. No worries, the govt will be there to make sure your kids know about it, cause you are not smart enough.

[heymotherkisser]

i'm so excited.

[Wickedballs]

Just Palin, oh wait McCain flipped on that too. so it's now both

People can't change their minds. Who cares if he "flipped".

[FalconsGuy]

Just Palin, oh wait McCain flipped on that too. so it's now both

I am pro-choice and could careless they are pro-life. There is a law in place that will not be over turned, period. I will make my vote about issues that are relevant.

[Wickedballs]

Too bad your parents were not smarter or you would have known about birth control. No worries, the govt will be there to make sure your kids know about it, cause you are not smart enough.

They taught me and I did use it most of the time. I definitely used it the second time. I wasn't going anywhere unless i was strapped if you catch my drift.

[heymotherkisser]

I am pro-choice and could careless they are pro-life. There is a law in place that will not be over turned, period. I will make my vote about issues that are relevant.

like how the earth was started?

[Wickedballs]

like how the earth was started?

Creationism.

[heymotherkisser]

Creationism.

i like to think that the world started on nov 11 1985 and the rest of you are robots in this movie.

[FalconsGuy]

i like to think that the world started on nov 11 1985 and the rest of you are robots in this movie.

ahahhahahahaha

[Mick32]

35 - House

40 - Senate (I think)

35 - President.

Those (The ones you posted) don't make sense, the Speaker of the House can and has became President, and if the President had to be older than a member of the House, that system(Presidential Succession Act) wouldn't work.



Palin/Pelosi '09

The West Wing, while a good show, isn't real life.

[YourAmishDaddy]

I loved that black background. It looked like the fucking Combine were taking over and at any moment they were going to show pictures of Gordon Freeman committing suicide having to listen to this shrill idiot speak.

This woman is a goddamn moron. A religious zealot who isn't driven, she's obsessed.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Oh look, they found a black person. Well other than the ones serving drinks and shit in the back.

[Mick32]

ok htg.

Ho. Lee. Shit.

ladkjf;lahdg;lkah;ldgha;lkgh;alhg;lkah;lgha;lgha;l hgal;kh

[Mick32]

Tony can't argue opinions, so he attacks stupid little nit-picky things that happened in excess of 20 years ago.

And calls people gay. Don't forget that.

[YourAmishDaddy]

And I like the one line. "Just because drilling doesn't solve all the problems is no excuse to do nothing at all."

Hey, how about you take that up with John McCain himself who voted against offshore drilling and drilling in ANWR every fucking time it came up for a vote, cunt.

[Mick32]

how about she is railing against the bridge to no where, but was for it before she was against it. then she is so against pork barrel spending that she hired a lobbiest while she was the mayor to get 27 million in funding for pet projects in a town of 9,000.

then there is her stance on teach creationism in school
wanting to ban books and do forget abstinence first

Then form a fucking cogent argument against ANY of those things, and you will be taken seriously in this "debate". Until then, you are being nothing but a fucking parrot. Sorry.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Damn, CSPAN 2. Who made Matt Foley a delegate?

[Mick32]

i just hate this holier than thou attitude she being portrayed with. at least the democrats admit there is hypocrisy in their own group

When did this happen?

[Mick32]

i like to think that the world started on nov 11 1985 and the rest of you are robots in this movie.

You were right. You did have a funny on page 8.

[YourAmishDaddy]

i just hate this holier than thou attitude she being portrayed with. at least the democrats admit there is hypocrisy in their own group

Not to worry. Never addresed any of the real issues. She mentioned word zero about things that matter. Like the economy, or NAFTA for example. Basically she was stuck in attack mode the entire time.

But not to fear. Hear that rumbling sound? That's the sound of hundreds of thousands of independents collectively either puking, snoring, or walking out.

It is over. The biggest advocates for an Obama presidency this year are McCain and Palin themselves.

[Mick32]

You're not a Republican anymore because a fringe, no chance candidate, didn't get elected. Nice.

[YourAmishDaddy]

You're not a Republican anymore because a fringe, no chance candidate, didn't get elected. Nice.

I never claimed to be a Republican. At one time I did consider myself conservative though.

And I understand. These days actually controlling spending, and not involved in the affairs of every other country, having respect for the Constitution and the rule of law would be considered "fringe" since the GOP is today led by a Woodrow Wilson in drag drooling idiot.

Republicans today have absolutely nothing to be for. Not a one of them has a solution, a plan, an alternative. Go after the other guy, attack, demean, slam the other guy.

It is the poverty of ideas.

So please, continue to say Ron Paul is "fringe" or a nutjob, or is out there. Because it is impossible to do or say what you are for. What makes John McCain so superior to a Ron Paul?

Pull up John McCain's voting record. Because I can assure you you have not one clue of what the man stands for. And I will take Ron Paul's record and we can go line for line. Any day.

[Mick32]

He can't get elected. He never had a chance to get elected. That is "fringe". To be angry because a fringe candidate didn't get elected is as stupid as the Democrats who won't vote for Obama because Hillary didn't get elected. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If you really stood for Ron Paul's beliefs, you'd support McCain, because more of Paul's initiatives will become reality with him as President. You were for Ron Paul because he was different, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

[Mick32]

BTW, show reference ... +2.

[YourAmishDaddy]

He can't get elected. He never had a chance to get elected. That is "fringe". To be angry because a fringe candidate didn't get elected is as stupid as the Democrats who won't vote for Obama because Hillary didn't get elected. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If you really stood for Ron Paul's beliefs, you'd support McCain, because more of Paul's initiatives will become reality with him as President. You were for Ron Paul because he was different, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

Why would I support John McCain, whose record when compared to Ron Paul's record pales in comparison?

Why should I settle for less? Why do I have to sacrifice what I believe in, then take that that and go in the opposite direction because the GOP has a systematic disorder of not delivering?

You have to understand, It's not like I've been involved in politics for a couple of years. I've worked on a few campaigns going back several years. I didn't work with Bob Barr because he was different. Or Rick Lazio's campaign because he was different, I didn't support Newt Gingrich because he was different. I supported them all because I believed in them.

John McCain's very first move as a potential president was picking Sarah Palin. It is an insult. This mindset that we are locked into voting for the Republican-Democrat cartel because they are the only choices is insane.

You do realize that Palin's speech last night was the end of John McCain's run? Her most grave mistake is she attacked the media. They will as of this morning commence to crucifying her. All of this is because John McCain is vapid in terms of leadership. Given the opportunity of choosing several more suitable people he went the affirmative action route.

But then the Republicans have sold out on everything else they said they stood for. They may as well be for affirmative action and quotas now too.

[YourAmishDaddy]

I think we need a politics, or current events forum now or something.

[Jimbo_NY75]

and we have the nerve to call other people "religious extremists"


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God." ...........

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

Palin told graduating students of the church's School of Ministry ..... she'd work to implement God's will from the governor's office , including creating jobs by building a pipeline to bring North Slope natural gas to North American markets.

"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she added. "But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."

and what may the greatest response to that ^ bullshit pandering rhetoric:

Rob Boston, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, lamented Palin's comments.

"I miss the days when pastors delivered sermons and politicians delivered political speeches," he said. "The United States is increasingly diverse religiously. The job of a president is to unify all those different people and bring them together around policy goals, not to act as a kind of national pastor and bring people to God."

[blacknoi]

and we have the nerve to call other people "religious extremists"


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war



and what may the greatest response to that ^ bullshit pandering rhetoric:

So what? She's got a strong belief in god and professes it.

Its not like she's saying YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW HER GOD, right? Now that I'd have a problem with.

And unlike Obama's former pastor of 20 years, she's not saying GOD DAMN America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5ixmT83JE

[Ziph]

That is so fucking disturbing. I can tolerate to an extent people believing in such ludicrous ideology and ignorance, but to interject it into everything they do to gain votes, and make things sound so much more important and significant than they really are is just a fucking joke.

People like that saying god wants us to kill all the Muslims and that they are put in positions of power to do god's will is just proof enough that there is no god.

[Ziph]

So what? She's got a strong belief in god and professes it.

Its not like she's saying YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW HER GOD, right? Now that I'd have a problem with.

And unlike Obama's former pastor of 20 years, she's not saying GOD DAMN America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5ixmT83JE

Actually i'd like her more if she did, would be nice to see someone not blow smoke up everyone's asses saying how great America is constantly.

[blacknoi]

Actually i'd like her more if she did, would be nice to see someone not blow smoke up everyone's asses saying how great America is constantly.

Lets face it, politicians will always tell us things they think the electorate wants to hear.

[Ziph]

Lets face it, politicians will always tell us things they think the electorate wants to hear.

Yeah, but is it so wrong to keep hoping for someone that doesn't? If i wanted to just hear people say what they think the other person wants to hear I'd look at someone in a relationship.

[blacknoi]

Yeah, but is it so wrong to keep hoping for someone that doesn't?

Nope, nothing wrong at all for hoping.

I just doubt anything will change within our lifetimes.

Some major event will have to happen to change the government. Something so big, the government HAS to change and adapt. I just don't know what that'd be.

[Ziph]

Nope, nothing wrong at all for hoping.

I just doubt anything will change within our lifetimes.

Some major event will have to happen to change the government. Something so big, the government HAS to change and adapt. I just don't know what that'd be.

I'm still relatively young so I'm hoping for the system to collapse and total anarchy to be the product of it.

[Jimbo_NY75]

So what? She's got a strong belief in god and professes it.
thats fine .... but religion should be private and not interjected into politics from either side.
Its not like she's saying YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW HER GOD, right? Now that I'd have a problem with.
actually thats exactly what shes saying. it may not be her version of god but if you dont put faith in any god then all her legislation wont get passed, oil cos. wont be able to build pipelines and soldiers would loose wars

yeah thats sane thinking.

And unlike Obama's former pastor of 20 years, she's not saying GOD DAMN America.

maybe we should be a little damned by a higher power for wiping out an entire race of people, enslaving generations of another people, allowing a genocide to continue in a "third world" country just because theres no economic value in stopping it ...... and so on

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

i dont even think it needs to be that drastic, a 3rd or 4th realistic party would change this country around. why must well all fall into one or anther group 100% or be considered a fraud or traitor

[Ziph]

i dont even think it needs to be that drastic, a 3rd or 4th realistic party would change this country around. why must well all fall into one or anther group 100% or be considered a fraud or traitor

Because people are incapable of grasping the concept that not everything is black and white.

[Wickedballs]

thats fine .... but religion should be private and not interjected into politics from either side.

actually thats exactly what shes saying. it may not be her version of god but if you dont put faith in any god then all her legislation wont get passed, oil cos. wont be able to build pipelines and soldiers would loose wars

yeah thats sane thinking.



maybe we should be a little damned by a higher power for wiping out an entire race of people, enslaving generations of another people, allowing a genocide to continue in a "third world" country just because theres no economic value in stopping it ...... and so on

Since you're saying there is a higher power do you believe in Creationism?

[blacknoi]

thats fine .... but religion should be private and not interjected into politics from either side.

Well then America isn't the country you are seeking, as no matter how much you or anyone wants it, religion is here to stay in politics. Our money says "in god we trust" for god sake... (like my pun there?)



actually thats exactly what shes saying. it may not be her version of god but if you dont put faith in any god then all her legislation wont get passed, oil cos. wont be able to build pipelines and soldiers would loose wars

yeah thats sane thinking.

Please spare me. Some people wear thier religion on their sleeves. Actually a LOT do. I don't notice it here as much in the North East, but elsewhere in the "heartland" many people are agreeing with all that she's saying.

And if you can show me a quote where she directly says you have to follow her god, then I'll back down.



maybe we should be a little damned by a higher power for wiping out an entire race of people, enslaving generations of another people, allowing a genocide to continue in a "third world" country just because theres no economic value in stopping it ...... and so on

Your opinion, and you have every right to it. I don't agree with you, but again, you have your opinion.

Slavery was around way before America my friend. I'm not saying its right, but America didn't invent it. And which race was wiped out? I can't remember anyone trying to wipe out a race other than Nazis. And they of course were not successful.

I don't get the "America must police the world" mentality (referring to your 3rd world remark). People talk about the defecit. Well policing the world is a great way to make that bigger.

Of course Iraq came about because we are an OIL based economy (in my opinion, regardless of what they tell me). No oil is bad for America. High priced oil is bad for America (as has recently been proven). Iraq was a no brainer to go into, if for NO other reason for me. And for the troops that don't want to be there? Don't sign up then. Its not a draft society now.

Soldiers who went to Vietnam would have something to complain about.

The American standard of living would be DRAMATICALLY lower w/no oil or highly priced oil.



i dont even think it needs to be that drastic, a 3rd or 4th realistic party would change this country around. why must well all fall into one or anther group 100% or be considered a fraud or traitor



I don't think you are considered a fraud or traitor by anyone if you don't fall in line with the dems or republican.... why do you say that?

[blacknoi]

Because people are incapable of grasping the concept that not everything is black and white.

<joke> Racist </joke>

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

I don't think you are considered a fraud or traitor by anyone if you don't fall in line with the dems or republican.... why do you say that?

tell that to a pro-choice republican or a democrat who wants to privatize social security. they mine as well be second class citizen to the parties

[blacknoi]

tell that to a pro-choice republican or a democrat who wants to privatize social security. they mine as well be second class citizen to the parties

Not to stray off topic, but why WOULDNT you want a privatized SS? The government has done a SHIT job with it so far.

I would love to choose where to invest my $$ in a fund that I know is solid.

[Jimbo_NY75]

Since you're saying there is a higher power do you believe in Creationism?

a) what i should have said "if there is a higher power ......"

b) faith isn't theory. a theory can be proven or disproven. faith is belief in spite of proven or disproven fact.

c) i believe in evolution but i do admit not knowing what started the whole process (and by that i mean something had to have caused the Big Bang).

[Ziph]

I don't think you are considered a fraud or traitor by anyone if you don't fall in line with the dems or republican.... why do you say that?

When's the last time you've seen a legit independent candidate? Or hell, even a semi-moderate one? It's a system where if you try to play both sides of the fence you're fucked, so by staying on one side of the extremes, you already have a solid voting base.

[Wickedballs]

Please spare me. Some people wear thier religion on their sleeves. Actually a LOT do. I don't notice it here as much in the North East, but elsewhere in the "heartland" many people are agreeing with all that she's saying.

And if you can show me a quote where she directly says you have to follow her god, then I'll back down.



I can completely attest to that. I just recently moved back to NY after living in Virginia, South Carolina, and Georgia/Florida and the further south you go, the more hardcore people are about their religions. They are all southern baptists there, but their main concern is that you have some sort of religion that is similar to theirs. I never understood what "The Bible Belt" was until I moved down there. It is a totally different world.

[blacknoi]

I can completely attest to that. I just recently moved back to NY after living in Virginia, South Carolina, and Georgia/Florida and the further south you go, the more hardcore people are about their religions. They are all southern baptists there, but their main concern is that you have some sort of religion that is similar to theirs. I never understood what "The Bible Belt" was until I moved down there. It is a totally different world.

Thank you.

I don't know about the geographical makeup of this message board, but I bet its heavy on the North East... as that is where the O and A core fanbase lies.

And we know that the North East doesn't have many bible thumpers.

There's more of them out there than you think, or for goodness sake, people like Sarah Palin would never get nominated to begin with. McCain knows theres enough people that relate to her to make her a good pick.

[blacknoi]

When's the last time you've seen a legit independent candidate? Or hell, even a semi-moderate one? It's a system where if you try to play both sides of the fence you're fucked, so by staying on one side of the extremes, you already have a solid voting base.

Jesse Ventura, Minnesota

[Wickedballs]

a) what i should have said "if there is a higher power ......"

b) faith isn't theory. a theory can be proven or disproven. faith is belief in spite of proven or disproven fact.

c) i believe in evolution but i do admit not knowing what started the whole process (and by that i mean something had to have caused the Big Bang).

I was just messing with you, Jimbo. I agree that something had to have started the Big Bang which is why I think Creationism should be taught in schools. If you are going to teach evolution and The Big Bang then the best way to go about it is to teach a non-denominational form of the possibility of a higher power.

[Ziph]

Jesse Venture, Minnesota

Meant presidential candidate but ya. lol.

[blacknoi]

Meant presidential candidate but ya. lol.

Well in that case, there hasn't been one. But we all know politics takes money, and LOTS of it.

When an independent candidate can raise funds equal or greater than that of the 2 big parties, I think we'll see it.

[Ziph]

Thank you.

I don't know about the geographical makeup of this message board, but I bet its heavy on the North East... as that is where the O and A core fanbase lies.

And we know that the North East doesn't have many bible thumpers.

There's more of them out there than you think, or for goodness sake, people like Sarah Palin would never get nominated to begin with. McCain knows theres enough people that relate to her to make her a good pick.

I live next to two pastors, a Mormon family, and a really fucked up jewish girl that I use to go to school with.

[Ziph]

Well in that case, there hasn't been one. But we all know politics takes money, and LOTS of it.

When an independent candidate can raise funds equal or greater than that of the 2 big parties, I think we'll see it.

Annnnnnnnnd i'm sure the money contributed wouldn't influence their decision making at all >.>

[blacknoi]

Annnnnnnnnd i'm sure the money contributed wouldn't influence their decision making at all >.>

I understand your point, but has ANY campaign thats won office NOT taken contributions, directly or not? I believe the answer is no, but correct me if I'm wrong.

[Ziph]

I understand your point, but has ANY campaign thats won office NOT taken contributions, directly or not? I believe the answer is no, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Well moderate in my mind is someone non-influenced. So just kinda ruins the whole idea when someone can be bought like that. Understandably its not a perfect world, but doesn't mean I have to adjust my way of thinking to compensate. I think that's the reason things got so fucked up in the first place.

[blacknoi]

Well moderate in my mind is someone non-influenced. So just kinda ruins the whole idea when someone can be bought like that. Understandably its not a perfect world, but doesn't mean I have to adjust my way of thinking to compensate. I think that's the reason things got so fucked up in the first place.

I think the landscape has become so much so that no single individual could run w/o taking contributions of some sort.

Without a big bankroll you can't advertise yourself to the American people.

I dont know of anyone rich enough to do it... at least that I'd want in elected office anyway.

The common man CAN'T ever win National Office in the present state of the American Political Landscape.

[Ziph]

I think the landscape has become so much so that no single individual could run w/o taking contributions of some sort.

Without a big bankroll you can't advertise yourself to the American people.

I dont know of anyone rich enough to do it... at least that I'd want in elected office anyway.

The common man CAN'T ever win National Office in the present state of the American Political Landscape.

Yeah i completely understand, even if it's perceived foolish and idealistic, I'd still like to keep hope that it won't always be so corrupted and corporatized.

[TNABuffalo2]

I was just messing with you, Jimbo. I agree that something had to have started the Big Bang which is why I think Creationism should be taught in schools. If you are going to teach evolution and The Big Bang then the best way to go about it is to teach a non-denominational form of the possibility of a higher power.

Can there be a "higher power" that is not conscious or "aware"?

Creationism focuses on a "being" that made it all happen with intention. "Pure" science will in the end answer this sooner or later, NOT "belief" science.

And really, why did "something" HAVE to start the big bang.

As a wise man once said, Shit Happens.

[Wickedballs]

Can there be a "higher power" that is not conscious or "aware"?

Creationism focuses on a "being" that made it all happen with intention. "Pure" science will in the end answer this sooner or later, NOT "belief" science.

And really, why did "something" HAVE to start the big bang.

As a wise man once said, Shit Happens.

Because something had to have provided the two little atoms that collided to cause the events that sparked the universe. You can talk shit happens all you want, but the bottom line is something needed to be there to "bang" into each other. Where did those things come from? They weren't just there.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

You can talk shit happens all you want, but the bottom line is something needed to be there to "bang" into each other. Where did those things come from? They weren't just there.
what if it was just random, nature is very random. besides faith is there anything to back up a higher power setting this in motion?

[Ziph]

Because something had to have provided the two little atoms that collided to cause the events that sparked the universe. You can talk shit happens all you want, but the bottom line is something needed to be there to "bang" into each other. Where did those things come from? They weren't just there.

Why should it matter? Is it worth millions upon millions of people being killed over the last couple thousand years claiming they have the answer to that question? I think it's more productive for people for people to try to find their own legitimate purpose in life instead of looking for a pre-existing one because it requires no work/effort and sounds more grand and important thus they feel better about themselves.

[Wickedballs]

what if it was just random, nature is very random. besides faith is there anything to back up a higher power setting this in motion?

Where did the 2 atoms that collided come from? Nature? So, nature is the higher power?

Why should it matter? Is it worth millions upon millions of people being killed over the last couple thousand years claiming they have the answer to that question? I think it's more productive for people for people to try to find their own legitimate purpose in life instead of looking for a pre-existing one because it requires no work/effort and sounds more grand and important thus they feel better about themselves.

It doesn't matter. The people who kill each other over it are stupid. That's why Creationism, IMO, is a good idea b/c it is non-denominational.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

Where did the 2 atoms that collided come from? Nature? So, nature is the higher power?

the singular atoms exploded, that is where it came from. not everyone believes in a higher power, or god, or religion, that was my point from the beginning. many people think the universe and everything that has happened since that day has been nothing but random event with no "higher power" guiding it along

[Wickedballs]

the singular atoms exploded, that is where it came from. not everyone believes in a higher power, or god, or religion, that was my point from the beginning. many people think the universe and everything that has happened since that day has been nothing but random event with no "higher power" guiding it along

Where did that atom come from? People can say all they want there is no higher power, but no one will ever answer the question "Where did that first atom come from?"

[Ziph]

Where did that atom come from? People can say all they want there is no higher power, but no one will ever answer the question "Where did that first atom come from?"

Then where did that "higher being" come from?

And no one answers because no one truthfully knows, but at least they don't input some obscure and unprovable ideal in and claim it to be the truth. There is at least some factual evidence of the Big Bang.

[Wickedballs]

Then where did that "higher being" come from?

And no one answers because no one truthfully knows, but at least they don't input some obscure and unprovable ideal in and claim it to be the truth. There is at least some factual evidence of the Big Bang.

Some, not all. So neither are 100% true.

[Ziph]

Some, not all. So neither are 100% true.

yes, hence why its still a theory, but some is better than none.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

yes, hence why its still a theory, but some is better than none.

bingo, you need faith to believe in a higher power. not everyone has faith, so it shouldnt be taught in a school. there is evidence of an expanding universe and evolution in many things, they deserve a spot in science

[Wickedballs]

You need faith to believe that your theory is true. That's why people research things, they have faith that they will find the answer. Until they do find the answer it is still not truth.

[Wickedballs]

FYI, I am not saying I don't buy the big bang.

[Fancy Man Frrrunkus]

You need faith to believe that your theory is true. That's why people research things, they have faith that they will find the answer. Until they do find the answer it is still not truth.

no theory are based on calculations and scientific bases. there is no way to prove a higher power.





btw, i do believe in a higher power. but dont think it has a place in schools. i'm more bothered that people want creationism taught and sex ed not

[Ziph]

You need faith to believe that your theory is true. That's why people research things, they have faith that they will find the answer. Until they do find the answer it is still not truth.

Eh, that's like saying someone is a person of faith by going to sleep at night thinking they'll wake up the next day. It isn't the same, heavy, faith that religion and spirituality requires. And its not like I for one, believe it to be the all telling truth, but it has the most evidence and the majority of it seems completely plausible.

[Wickedballs]

no theory are based on calculations and scientific bases. there is no way to prove a higher power.



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